Sad thing is now in gamr two all this idiocy will be repeated. It's a bunch of racist that hide under the banners' of the teams' they claim to follow & it's like this all over in Europe at the moment & it's really ugly. People can't even go to enjoy themselves to watch a game without creating trouble. Sad part is lot's of people that have nothing to do with causing trouble get caught in the crossfire & end up hurt. I think what happened in Rome last night is also a case of the police there being on edge as a rusult of all the bad things that have been going on with games' there in recent times. Doesn't look like there's a quick fix to crowd problems in soccer.

Spivey, I agree with you here. And it has already happened again, today in Sevilla at the Sevilla-Tottenham Uefa cup match. You know police at all the CL matches next week will be on edge again. It's going to be volatile.

I think the quick fix is not selling tickets to the other teams' travelling fans. For example, not selling any tickets to Roma fans for the game at Old Trafford.

You know what Rider that's a pretty good idea.

You guys are right. Things need to be brought under control before they really get out of hand. If things keep going like they are the soccer clubs in Europe will lose millions as we might see them more & more into being forced to play more games behind closed doors like they already have done with some teams this past year. I'd hate to see things come to that but I don't want to see fans' being killed at games either.

I had a bad feeling last week knowing United was going to Rome to play Roma & look what happened. I can't understand how anybody would get joy out of going to a game just to start fights & trouble. Just goes to show there are a lot of stupid people out there.

One thing I would do is ban alcohol at games and if the individual goes to the stadium drunk (especially goups) they should be turned down!!! Rome is known to have crazy fans, the english are known to get drunk and cause trouble,what did you expect?,I read that the Italian police was excessive,and than I read that the english fans were throwing evrything and were drunk(somewhere in between lies the truth) unfortunatelly it's the media that pollutes the people,I wish that the fans would be fans and that's it, the stadium is not a battle ground,if these idiots want to fight JOIN TH ARMY!,why should a small,small fraction of morons ruin it for everyone else.By the way I'm starting to really like Roma.

Not to pour gasoline on the fire...but weren't the United fans responsable for trouble in Lille(France) which almost resulted in the ban of Man U. ??????

As a matter of fact Wolfen, United fans almost got crushed because of bad Police tactics. Plus they piled United fans in one section. It was Lille that was being investigated and still are NOT United.

thanks for the info,ghost, that is what I read,unfortunatelly it seems as the english fans are labeled, as it occurred in the tottenham game as well in Seville,Spain, but I think that by banning the alcohol we may have an easier time,when you get a bunch of guys together drunk throwing stuff ,sooner or later something is bound to happen(I mean that for all fans not just english)the problem with fan control in Europe is big and it affects teams as people are not going to the stadiums,what a shame.

The scene will be repeated over and over again. Hooliganism has been allowed far too long and now it's the mentality of many diehard fans. Man U fans are amongst the worst.

Bayern played in Milan and their was no trouble, Valencia played in Milan and their was no trouble, Lyon played in Rome and their was no trouble. The mayor of Rome stated that the United fans were drunk, agressive and unruly even hours before the match. The hooligans were already in full flight and the riot police did what they had to do to avoid an incident like the one in Hanburg, Germany where Liverpool and Juventus fans collided leaving 33 Italians dead. Don't be surprised though if uefa finds a way to disqualify, penalize or give an advantage to Man U. A Man U knockout by Roma would be devastating since Man U is probably the most popular team in the world. It would pay for Uefa to have Man U go all the way. Unfortunately for Roma they aren't popular enough but have the team to compete with and even knockout the mighty red devils.

In Italy fans' kill police officers'! Sure! of course United has some fans' that are a very bad element but they are not the only ones'! France has some angels as well. When United beat Lille one of the United defender's was hit in the head from an object thrown from the stands & I'm pretty sure it wasn't a United fan that threw it not to mention the entire United squad as well as the manager & staff was showered with God only knows what when the attempted to go down into the tunnel so don't give me your bias garbage! In Germany, the same thing, Holland, same thing. All the Baltic countries, even more of the same thing & in Italy! Guess what! The same thing! It doesn't take a club team from a different country to cause problems with the crowds that go to games in Italy. Those people there are more than happy to fight amoung themselves! Italian against Italian. Violence at soccer games is not just an English problem, It's a world wide problem!

Stanley/Scotty..... you are really good at misinterpreting my posts. It just shows your lack of reasoning. Anyways, what I said was that the United fans were to blame in this instance. Hooliganism is a European problem but what I have a problem with is the article saying that uefa will be investigating Italian police for their actions. The day before, Tottenham fans were doing the same thing in Sevilla, Spain. Roma will probably get penalized as that's probably the only way Man U will get through to the final 4.

I agree with both giova and scotty/stanley, unfortunatelly every one is at fault, and the losers are all those that love the game. The Italian police may have exagerrated ,but they have to cover themselves,as their lives is at stake(especially in Italy),the English fans going to the stadium drunk don't help the situation, and the Roma fans although they are very impressive(choriagrophy)are known to be nuts.it was disater waiting to happene,not allowing alcohol,or if you are intoxicated in the stadium should be a step,not allowing visiting fans another, having an international police force that is bias is also a good idea(Platini mentioned it) something has to be done and fast,the great game of soccer is burying its self.

giova almost all of your posts are protecting anything that involves italy. when it's obvious the main fans that lose contol of their selves are the italians and the spanish and the argentine/mexican. (south america) IT seems the roma fans were offended or maybe worried that united would smash them. On the pitch that is..

Ya. I am sorry I was grounded so I haven't been posting in a while.

John you are a bad person. Hating on people.

Here's a history lesson based on facts'......

1962 : Salernitana v Potenza
Italian fan Gaetano Plaitano killed by stray bullet from Italian police.

1978 : Lazio v Roma
Lazio fan Vincenzo Paparelli killed by flare fired from (Who else) The angle like Roma fans'.

1984 : Milan v Cremonese
Fan Marco Fonghessi stabbed to death by of all things a fellow Milan supporter. Guess he didn't agree with the way poor Marco was cheering.

1988 : Inter v Ascoli
Fan Nazzareno Filppini dies one week after being stoned & beaten by Inter fans'. My God what animals. Crazy sick people.

1988 : Genoa v Milan
Fan Vincenzo Spagnolo stabbed to death before game outside stadium by Milan supporters.

2001 : Inter fans' smuggle a moter scooter into the San Siro for a match against Ascoli & launch it from the third tier. Guess they were not happy with the performance of the scooter.

2003 : Avellino v Napoli
Fan Sergio Ercolano dies after being thrown from upper tier of stadium by Avellino fans'.

2004 : Roma (Again!) Champions Leage match against Dynamo Kiev suspended after Swedish referee Anders Frisk is struck in the head by heavy object thrown by ..Guess who! ..Roma fans'.

2005 : Milan v Inter quarter final second leg Champions League. Game abandoned after a shower of flares from Inter fans' come down on Milan keeper Dida. (*Note*) A number of fans' were injured as a result of the home made fireworks display, some of them older people, women, & the most disturbing of all, children.

2007 : Palermo v Catania
Police Inspector Filippo dies after explosives are thrown into his police car.

2007 : The previous week before Fillippo's death Ermanno Licursi a soccer director was kicked to death while trying to break up a hooligan skirmish in Luzzi.

Prime Minister Romano Prodi & Sports' Minister Giovanna Melandri have stated Italian soccer is virtually beyond governance with all the programmed violence & it has become a warped law unto itself. Corruption is considered endemic. Also hooligan control is non-existent. This is why they canceled games in Italy for a short period of time. Anybody here that thinks Italian soccer is so far above all other nations that they have no problems really needs to go see a doctor & have their head's examined.

thank you aldo

Hi Aldo,unfortunately the post you made can be duplicated in other countries as well, the violence,useless by all means is damaging the game,yes Italy (like other countries)are facing this turbulant task,their stadiums are half empty and they need to fix it or the serie A will be extinct,the problem is severe but it exists every where else,I must commend the English as they seem to have their stadium under control after the Heysle incident,I just love the game I don't care where its played,who wants to fight should join the army!!! I believe strongly in defending yourself,defending your country etc..by all means I wouldn't let anyone walk over me, but let's be realistic it's A GAME!!!! as so it should remain.

Very interesting information Aldo. Throwing moter bikes from the upper stands. Talk about creative trouble making. I'm glad you brought up the facts about the well behaved Roma fans'. With the way some people post here you would be led to believe Italy is full of angels :)

wolfen not to argue with you but in England, France, Holland, Spain, & Germany I really don't think fans' there could actually sneak a moter bike into the stadiums there & actually get away with throwing it off the upper levels. Nothing like that has ever happened on the domestic front in those countries & I know that for a fact. Lot's of other bad things, even killings have happened in some of those countries but no large objects have been thrown like moter bikes. Aldo's point I think is to bring up some cold hard facts. It shows problems with rowdy out of control & murdrous fans' in Italy has been going on for Decades! Like everywhere else it won't stop either. It's just at this point in time Italy is the most dangerous country in the world to go watch a soccer game. Even Italian officials are saying so.

yep and that's a fact that just some people dont want to accept.

Hey wolfen how are you? I hope good. I have been busy all week. Had a tough game last night. It was a non league game against some club called Doxa Italia. We shut them out 3 to 0 & I got one of the three. Still it was a tough game as the defenders' came after me so I had to fade back & fourth & wait for them to drop their guard & then try to burn them on counters. Manchester United were beat again! today in the EPL. They are falling apart & seem to be running out of gas. I dont really think they will get past Roma. Too bad, they had a good run all season long & now it looks like they will crash & burn. I read Diego Maradona has Acute Hepatitis from poor lifestyle habits. Drinking, smoking cigars, overeating, & drugs. It's pretty sad. He's a player I always looked up to & I don't think he's long for this world. I do hope he get's better. It's just he always sems to go back to doing all that stuff that's not good for his health.

Aldo, I'm impressed. You know I also read sometime back about the fans' with the moter bike. What I can't understand is how could a group of people actually get a bike into a stadium like that withut being noticed? Nobody saw them bring it in? Somebody had to have seen them. Security & the police had to have seen them & chose to do nothing. That's the only explanation & why on earth would they want to do something like that? It's totally crazy! The world we live in has gone to hell! It really has. Sporting events were designed for people to go relax & enjoy themselves at & now it seems people go to vent their frustrations on one another. I can understand fully now why the American adult sports' culture does not care for soccer. Americans' have a rap for being so violent all over the world but you never see moter bikes being thrown from upper levels at sporting events there or American sporting fans' killing police officers or security personel at sporting events either.

In fact fellows, in the States we can be proud of the way spectators behave at games, I follow the New York Rangers and have watched games sitting ot other guys wearing the opposite yeams jerseys,and we laughed at the end,it's only a game, and sports are supoosed to make us forget about the real headaches we go through in every day life,sports should not be the hell it's become,yes in Italy it seems right now the problem is getting worst,they missed a month of playing due to the scandal with the refs/match fixing, than another with the cop killed..............and some stadiums are still closed ,thus games are played without fans?????,as I stated before it's not just in Italy but it exists everywhere when it comes to soccer,I remeber that in africa the player who missed adecive penalty coudn't go back home, a Columbian player (escobar i believe)wash shot for scoring in his own goal at WC 94,the tragedy of the Hysel game in Belgium,it has gotten out of hand,England seems to have cleaned up their stadiums,it works,thus the system should be followed.I would love to go see Roma-lazio or Man U-Arsenal,or Celtic-Rangers and not worry about anything,but now in Italy it's dangerous and the real fans and the teams are suffering,there's way too much to lose here,let's wake up!

With the dire situation of soccer in Italy at the moment I think if the Italian Football Federation doesn't get a handle on things very quick. They will be banned from Europe. No teams or fans will be able to travel outside of Italy just like what happened to Liverpool & the English FA after that nightmare situation that cost so many people their lives over 20 years ago. I think the same type of ban is on the verge of happening all over again.

Throwing moter cycles off the upper levels at games? Now I've heard everything! No wonder they cannot sell out games in that country. Must feel like your in a war zone there at a match. What I would like to know is how those people were able to sneak a moter cycle into the stadium without being noticed? I mean ..Come on!It's not exactly the normal everday item you take into a stadium to watch a sporting event. Pretty crazy stuff.

You know I think Blake is right. If things keep moving in the destructive direction that they have been going in for soccer in Italy they will end up getting banned all through Europe just like what happened with England. Thigs are on the brink right now.

a good site to read the match report of this game and the one last season too is here. ok they seem to have a man united bias with regard to what happens on the pitch but an interesting read anyway: www.romalazio.co.uk